ah well, it was only a matter of time before the great unthinkable would become words, I think we/I have touched on this a few times. In the review for Hebden Bridge I almost or I did touch on a certain sadness that this may be the last time I see the band. I like most, still feel the sadness of Careys passing.There is or was a feel that desire lines would be the "make or breaking" of the band who have always wanted to appeal to a much larger following and fan base. Their popularity in certain area`s of the globe are just logistically out of reach, especially for a couple or couples with young families. Desire lines is a majestic album, it will stand the test of time,as will most if not all of their output. The band stuttered,dipped their toes and eventually decided to become full time musicians/artists quite late in their career. It is a big decision to make but about the time of L.G.O.O.T.C they jumped into the abyss. There tours were always 7-8 shows in the UK. The crowds were just about a crowd,some of the times(shrewsbury) played venue`s that swamped them a little(Leamington spa) but everytime I`ve seen them, they never ceased to amaze, I love/loved this band. The accusation of their sombre, miserable and lifeless stage presence was never something I could buy in to.They are not "show folk" and on the few occasions I have chatted to any of them, they are genuine, warm and lovely people. I started this forum because of the lack of anywhere to talk about the band and their music. Their own sites, in various guises were met with a verbal desert of opinion. They must have a lot of people, I know they do,who love their music but seem to have difficulty in expressing this and eem to be hesitant in having any thoughts or opinions. I understand that out pouring of emotion to unknown strangers is a personal thing,i am one of those folk who has something to say about a medium I love, good,bad or indifferent. I am not convinced though that this the end of the band, but really I don't know, I hope they carry on, because by now its all they know but maybe deep down its wishful thinking. If it is the end then they can take comfort in the fact that the great art is made, those beautiful songs...they are here forever and touched so many people, not least me. so if it is, then thanks for the ride, and everything...if its not then I//we will still be here to support any decisions made, big love Graeme.